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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://www.richmondbizsense.com/2010/06/04/startup-health-insurer-shutting/comment-page-1/#comment-14200</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan, 

Why don&#039;t you look to the stop loss market if you are worried about losing your plan design and funding preference? 37 lives is more then enough. We are writing 15 life groups with $5000 specific deductibles taking business away from Anthem. Any Group on their 5K HSA that gets a bad renewal we show them how self funding can put an end to the endless double digit increases</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan, </p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you look to the stop loss market if you are worried about losing your plan design and funding preference? 37 lives is more then enough. We are writing 15 life groups with $5000 specific deductibles taking business away from Anthem. Any Group on their 5K HSA that gets a bad renewal we show them how self funding can put an end to the endless double digit increases</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Slabaugh</title>
		<link>http://www.richmondbizsense.com/2010/06/04/startup-health-insurer-shutting/comment-page-1/#comment-14186</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Slabaugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 18:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In 2009 I moved 13 Richjmond companies to nHealth at their renewal.  I just added up their combined pre-renewal rates and subracted their new nHealth rates.   Combined annual premium savings of $459,044.  That is $459,044 that is not being sent to the insurance company,but instead being deposited to employee owned HSA accounts, in most cases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 2009 I moved 13 Richjmond companies to nHealth at their renewal.  I just added up their combined pre-renewal rates and subracted their new nHealth rates.   Combined annual premium savings of $459,044.  That is $459,044 that is not being sent to the insurance company,but instead being deposited to employee owned HSA accounts, in most cases.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Slabaugh</title>
		<link>http://www.richmondbizsense.com/2010/06/04/startup-health-insurer-shutting/comment-page-1/#comment-14185</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Slabaugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 18:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And this is my favorite response from that article.  My client and someone that actually knows what they are talking about.  It is sad to see how uninformed and uneducated most of the people responding to that article are.

&quot;I don&#039;t know whether this reporter is uninformed or deliberately misleading.  This is not a company struggling with the problems of the  health care imbroglio  Nor do we know what he means.  The big boys are reporting record profits. It&#039;s those trying to break their monopoly which are struggling. nHealth is a company which had found a terrific solution, was taking business  from Anthem and others at  prodigious rate and was rapidly destined to be a real thorn to the near monopoly enjoyed by 2 or 3 predatory companies in Virginia.

Our company which provides 100% medical coverage for our associates selected nHealth after years of 30% and 40% increases from Southern Health and Anthem  They were able to show us how our 37 employees could have lower deductibles and saved us between $40,000 and $60,000 per year.  The addition of Health Savings Accounts also is saving associate&#039;s money.  Virtually all our employees, most of whom are hourly and the so-called &quot;average hard-working Americans&quot; Obama claims to be helping, opened and are contributing to HSA&#039;s.  Finally, nHealth was able to give us protection against premium increases.  Anthem announced it was raising the rates on the policy for the ensuing year while asking to increase us about 40% before that next increase.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And this is my favorite response from that article.  My client and someone that actually knows what they are talking about.  It is sad to see how uninformed and uneducated most of the people responding to that article are.</p>
<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t know whether this reporter is uninformed or deliberately misleading.  This is not a company struggling with the problems of the  health care imbroglio  Nor do we know what he means.  The big boys are reporting record profits. It&#8217;s those trying to break their monopoly which are struggling. nHealth is a company which had found a terrific solution, was taking business  from Anthem and others at  prodigious rate and was rapidly destined to be a real thorn to the near monopoly enjoyed by 2 or 3 predatory companies in Virginia.</p>
<p>Our company which provides 100% medical coverage for our associates selected nHealth after years of 30% and 40% increases from Southern Health and Anthem  They were able to show us how our 37 employees could have lower deductibles and saved us between $40,000 and $60,000 per year.  The addition of Health Savings Accounts also is saving associate&#8217;s money.  Virtually all our employees, most of whom are hourly and the so-called &#8220;average hard-working Americans&#8221; Obama claims to be helping, opened and are contributing to HSA&#8217;s.  Finally, nHealth was able to give us protection against premium increases.  Anthem announced it was raising the rates on the policy for the ensuing year while asking to increase us about 40% before that next increase.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Irony</title>
		<link>http://www.richmondbizsense.com/2010/06/04/startup-health-insurer-shutting/comment-page-1/#comment-14180</link>
		<dc:creator>Irony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 14:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI - Politico has picked up on this company and its demise.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0610/38194.html#ixzz0qKXjOetN</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI &#8211; Politico has picked up on this company and its demise.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0610/38194.html#ixzz0qKXjOetN" rel="nofollow">http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0610/38194.html#ixzz0qKXjOetN</a></p>
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		<title>By: Irony</title>
		<link>http://www.richmondbizsense.com/2010/06/04/startup-health-insurer-shutting/comment-page-1/#comment-14174</link>
		<dc:creator>Irony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 23:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Frank - Well said, but do I see well established insurance companies closing their doors? Yes, it is very possible OR they merge into some kind of giant mega insurance company and we all know how much fun that would be. I think you hit the nail on the head when mentioning the ever increasing cost of health care in the next 20 years but the Boomers are only going to be part of the problem. As an employee of a convalescent healthcare facility and a baby boomer myself, I see a major problem with the caregivers also. Let me better clarify that. The quality of those we hire is dropping dramatically, now there are a whole host of reasons why, but that&#039;s for another discussion. Facilities like us and hospitals, rely on people that are hands on with patients day in and day out. Get a group of nurses and aids that are there for the paycheck and you&#039;ve got patients coming and going from ER constantly due to falls, improper medication delivery, broken bones due to improper handling and a whole host of other issues. Those costs are stacked on top of the costs for the skilled care we provide. Like you mentioned the costs of care for these folks is going to go up.

A secondary concern our staff has is the possibility of unionization and believe it or not it&#039;s not from the administrators. A primary concern with our more established employees is that a unionized group is going to tell us what we can and cannot do with employees, especially the bad eggs (Keep in mind I do know what state I&#039;m in.). Trust me we have enough to contend with already with the Federal and State governments. Personally I see an advantage to a unionized staff, mainly on training and the ongoing quality of caregivers. 

I think the current healthcare was far too short on what it needed to do and even stepped on some freedoms at the same time. Insurance is only a small part of a much bigger problem and we have a long way to go. But that&#039;s for another time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Frank &#8211; Well said, but do I see well established insurance companies closing their doors? Yes, it is very possible OR they merge into some kind of giant mega insurance company and we all know how much fun that would be. I think you hit the nail on the head when mentioning the ever increasing cost of health care in the next 20 years but the Boomers are only going to be part of the problem. As an employee of a convalescent healthcare facility and a baby boomer myself, I see a major problem with the caregivers also. Let me better clarify that. The quality of those we hire is dropping dramatically, now there are a whole host of reasons why, but that&#8217;s for another discussion. Facilities like us and hospitals, rely on people that are hands on with patients day in and day out. Get a group of nurses and aids that are there for the paycheck and you&#8217;ve got patients coming and going from ER constantly due to falls, improper medication delivery, broken bones due to improper handling and a whole host of other issues. Those costs are stacked on top of the costs for the skilled care we provide. Like you mentioned the costs of care for these folks is going to go up.</p>
<p>A secondary concern our staff has is the possibility of unionization and believe it or not it&#8217;s not from the administrators. A primary concern with our more established employees is that a unionized group is going to tell us what we can and cannot do with employees, especially the bad eggs (Keep in mind I do know what state I&#8217;m in.). Trust me we have enough to contend with already with the Federal and State governments. Personally I see an advantage to a unionized staff, mainly on training and the ongoing quality of caregivers. </p>
<p>I think the current healthcare was far too short on what it needed to do and even stepped on some freedoms at the same time. Insurance is only a small part of a much bigger problem and we have a long way to go. But that&#8217;s for another time.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 20:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So we should repeal the entire health care bill, reinstate pre-existing condition exclusions, and go back to paying for uninsured people&#039;s E.R. bills because some tiny, start-up business which offered weak coverage plans has decided to close shop?  More than 50% of start-up businesses shut down within the first 5 years of operation.  To say that the new health insurance reform law caused this is short-sighted and merely being used for ammunition by those who opposed passage of the new law.  

This young business probably decided to hang it up because the costs of health care will be escalating through the roof over the next 20 years, not because of the Affordability Act, but because OF THE INCREASING NUMBER OF SENIOR CITIZENS in our country (baby-boomers are getting old).  That, along with generally unhealty lifestyles many Americans have chosen to follow (junk food diets and a lack of exercise, etc.).  

Considering the fact that everyone will be required to buy their own health coverage, the new law should greatly encourage the health insurance industry.   Does anyone see large, well-established insurance companies like Cigna, Blue Cross, United HC,  Aetna, or Kaiser closing its doors?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So we should repeal the entire health care bill, reinstate pre-existing condition exclusions, and go back to paying for uninsured people&#8217;s E.R. bills because some tiny, start-up business which offered weak coverage plans has decided to close shop?  More than 50% of start-up businesses shut down within the first 5 years of operation.  To say that the new health insurance reform law caused this is short-sighted and merely being used for ammunition by those who opposed passage of the new law.  </p>
<p>This young business probably decided to hang it up because the costs of health care will be escalating through the roof over the next 20 years, not because of the Affordability Act, but because OF THE INCREASING NUMBER OF SENIOR CITIZENS in our country (baby-boomers are getting old).  That, along with generally unhealty lifestyles many Americans have chosen to follow (junk food diets and a lack of exercise, etc.).  </p>
<p>Considering the fact that everyone will be required to buy their own health coverage, the new law should greatly encourage the health insurance industry.   Does anyone see large, well-established insurance companies like Cigna, Blue Cross, United HC,  Aetna, or Kaiser closing its doors?</p>
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		<title>By: Irony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 13:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bert your insult towards the Tea Party and Palin voters is what destroyed your point to begin with. Helen Thomas found out the hard way what those innocent little words can do. Do not think that you can move from that point and unless the moderators remove it from the comments section it is now a permanent reminder of your feelings towards those you &quot;disagree with&quot;. Good day sir.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bert your insult towards the Tea Party and Palin voters is what destroyed your point to begin with. Helen Thomas found out the hard way what those innocent little words can do. Do not think that you can move from that point and unless the moderators remove it from the comments section it is now a permanent reminder of your feelings towards those you &#8220;disagree with&#8221;. Good day sir.</p>
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		<title>By: Bert Holland</title>
		<link>http://www.richmondbizsense.com/2010/06/04/startup-health-insurer-shutting/comment-page-1/#comment-14161</link>
		<dc:creator>Bert Holland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 11:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh? Who, other than you, said anything about racism or hate, those are your words, not mine.
My point is that Americans trust the government to do very important things every day. You cannot deny that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh? Who, other than you, said anything about racism or hate, those are your words, not mine.<br />
My point is that Americans trust the government to do very important things every day. You cannot deny that.</p>
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		<title>By: Irony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 23:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bert - Tea Bag crowd? Did you really support your argument with insults? Really?? Please don&#039;t comment. Racism and hate are not welcome here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bert &#8211; Tea Bag crowd? Did you really support your argument with insults? Really?? Please don&#8217;t comment. Racism and hate are not welcome here.</p>
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		<title>By: Bert Holland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bert Holland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 15:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Irony,
The American public trusts the government to take care of them everyday:  Medicare, FAA, FDA,
Dept of Agriculture, to name a few.  I don&#039;t know what are you talking about that Americans don&#039;t trust the government.  I think maybe 23% of Americans don&#039;t trust the government. Probably about the same number as those who support the Palin / Tea Bag crowd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Irony,<br />
The American public trusts the government to take care of them everyday:  Medicare, FAA, FDA,<br />
Dept of Agriculture, to name a few.  I don&#8217;t know what are you talking about that Americans don&#8217;t trust the government.  I think maybe 23% of Americans don&#8217;t trust the government. Probably about the same number as those who support the Palin / Tea Bag crowd.</p>
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